Curse

Lord Darksoul · Feb 15, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

This is what happens when ANet decides to make PvE only skills. They're almost all overpowered, and is ruining the economy. I seriously would've have been happier with worthless elites than this...

Shakti · Feb 15, 2008, 05:38 AM // 05:38

While Ursanway farming may be bringing it down faster, everything in this game that's farmable drops in price. Ppl get their torm weapons, demand decreases. More are available, hence price drop.

Let's not forget to mention, the stacks and stacks and stacks that were created by the duping and are still in game. Everyone and their dogs know it. Of course it effects it.

Antheus · Feb 15, 2008, 05:48 AM // 05:48

In my experience, the value of 1 hour in GW is around 10k (dumb troll farming and the likes).

By this conclusion, it takes less than 17 hours to make one armbrace.

This sounds like a very reasonable estimate, and can certainly be topped. Considering that a full run can be completed in 2-3 hours, and chest drops are increased this way, one gets a full set in under 5 full runs.

With zero profit margin, hard price for armbraces is around 100k, or just a bit more, if one counts prices of consumables in there.

Abedeus · Feb 15, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50

What's funny, that other games have really good systems against duping. For example Diablo 2, where each item has an unique key assigned to it. All legal items have it, from keys and potions to rarest armors and runes. If there is an item with the same key as other key somewhere in the database, the Battle.net checks which one was created second and it deletes it. Of course, hackers often protect themselves from that... But...

The weakest, yet the strongest at the same time defense against it is joining a game with both items. The game, knowing two items are exactly same, deletes automatically that newer item.

And I think that the second defense should be implemented. There are too many players to check every equip every day, but if someone has 2 same armbraces (duped), only one will be left. Pretty good system.

@Antheus - I would be REALLY happy if I could get 10k for hour... really.

6am3 Fana71c · Feb 15, 2008, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Shakti

Let's not forget to mention, the stacks and stacks and stacks that were created by the duping and are still in game.

Actually, iirc, Gaile said that they destoryed duped items (or most of them, anyway) because they are able to track down items and see if they are duped or not.
On topic tho, I don't understand what the fuss is all about. EVERY item in this game declines in price over time. Some faster, some slower, but nothing can escape it (except maybe mini pets with fixed ammount of them out there). Maybe some day I get Tormented Staff...but, I would be much more satisfied if Platinum/Zodiac staves would start droping in all reqs from those chests

lyra_song · Feb 15, 2008, 05:57 AM // 05:57

It'll take you the same amount of time to get the ectos to buy it as it is to farm the armbrace with Ursan.

I Might Avenge U · Feb 15, 2008, 06:05 AM // 06:05

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

It'll take you the same amount of time to get the ectos to buy it as it is to farm the armbrace with Ursan.

Not on HM.. It's just insane, you can get an ambrace in 3 full HM Ursan runs..

That's 9-14 hours an ambrace.. So expect the prices to evenutally reach 100k, possibly lower. One of two things will happen: A) The price will eventually reach a point where it won't be worth the time to farm, and there will a major decrease in Ursans (Unlikely to happen anytime soon). B) Anet nerfs ursan (very-likely).

Seriously it's inevitable that Ursanway will get nerfed. It may be the monk build that gets nerfed, or the Ursan Blessing itself, but either way it will happen.

So my advice: "Farm the hell out of Ambraces now, and get your Tormy weps while it's still very easy."

Randvek · Feb 15, 2008, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Seeing Armbraces going for +20 ecto on a regular basis now. Dropping fast, though they have to be getting close to the bottom. I mean, they can't fall THAT far, right?

sagilltwins · Feb 15, 2008, 06:17 AM // 06:17

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Originally Posted by shru

This is GW Guru, most of us are title wores, cash sluts, elitist pricks, or a combination of the three. A majority of us are not the weekend gamer.
Anways, that statistic was absurdly askew, not factoring multiple/inactive accounts and plenty of other things. It's safe to say you can get by in GW with only 20k, but that you are infact poor.

lol hardcore ftw ^^

enter_the_zone · Feb 15, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked

That's the point it's supposed to be for the people that can afford it/people that work at it and the price is not reflecting the effort taken to farm it.

Substantially wrong. Ambraces were always relatively easy to get, especially in a versus time comparison of other methods of getting money. I think 100k+15e is a fair reflection, since I got 3margo's and 2 stygian gems in 3 hours yesterday.

This is a market driven economy, supply and demand dictate price. Anet isn't going to step in because when the price gets too low, the return in gems will outweigh the investment in time, and people will go back to other farming spots/methods. This in turn will drive the price back up. One thing Anet should have done is put these gems in the rare mat trader.

@I might avenge you. In that case, expect the 600/smite build to be nerfed hard, since ectos are now half of what they used to cost...

Abedeus · Feb 15, 2008, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by Randvek

Seeing Armbraces going for +20 ecto on a regular basis now. Dropping fast, though they have to be getting close to the bottom. I mean, they can't fall THAT far, right?

Say hai to 15k superior vigor or 300g Bloodstained or 250g Superior Absorption.

Uber Mass · Feb 15, 2008, 07:22 AM // 07:22

Ursan made it possible for every1 to do DoA and to actually finish a DoA full run... so yeah its expected the prices went down. Gosh i remember i sold my first titan for 100k+ecto -.o

Ralgha · Feb 15, 2008, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked

KTHX I'm in all honors classes. I'm number 10 in a class of 300 and I've lettered in 2 sports. I have achieved something real might as well do the same thing only this time in a video game.

P.S. Don't set yourself to up to get flamed.

You probably haven't realized this yet, but sports mean absolutely squat in the real world. Grats on the rest though.

Yichi · Feb 15, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by Lord Darksoul

This is what happens when ANet decides to make PvE only skills. They're almost all overpowered, and is ruining the economy. I seriously would've have been happier with worthless elites than this...

The economy was heading down the toilet long before these were introduced...

**cosyfiep** · Feb 15, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

geez we are still talking porche and mercedes....I can barely afford a toyota!

when the price drops to what the average player can afford then I will take notice until then, I will continue to drive my toyota.

GEXTE · Feb 15, 2008, 08:36 AM // 08:36

Nothing wrong with a toyota, it does the same as a porche or mercedes. It might be with less luxury, but than again, if you need a spare part or something, then you are better off with a toyota

Awakener · Feb 15, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked

It won't be special when its 25k and everyone has a shield. then what makes you look "rich" when everyone has everything?

I'd rather look good than look rich.
What annoys me in GW is the people who want to look "rich" not good. Or the ones who saying Looking rich is looking good.

idicious · Feb 15, 2008, 11:37 AM // 11:37

Last weekend sold 2 braces for 50e each, so probly just someone trying to get rid of them fast (and didn't take me long to sell them)

Sub Frost · Feb 15, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

So ambraces are getting cheaper, and with this, more people have a change to get them...

Sorry can't see a problem there.

[riVen] · Feb 15, 2008, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked

It takes a long time to farm an armbrace

Just so you know, it takes about 8 hours to farm one (ursanway). I don't consider that 'a long time'.

Math: A full run takes about 2,5hrs with a decent group (including killing mallyx; excluding afk time, setting up etc) and gives you 14 out of 60 gems. Assuming you'll also have a few gems drop for you each run, you'll need around 3,5 runs to reach 60.

On Hard Mode, you'll be there almost twice as fast.